iwata eclipse vs badger krome

Didn't know about the double taper. It's true that the smallest needles and tips will be more finicky as far as paint mix and pressure but once you learn that, you can do anything. This leads to my first question:In case I lose/break the tip/needle, which .33 parts does the Krome use, is it the ones that come with the Rage?Does the Krome come with the self-centering nozzle feature, and is this even a big deal? So there is little difference between the 0.21 mm and 0.35 mm nozzle in term of atomization and overspray. The Rage and Krome trigger mechanisms are basically Thayer & Chandler parts. Probably because they rather sell one of each of these airbrushes, or maybe even more important, want people that are looking for better detailing capabilities to buy the HP-B instead of buying a 0.2mm setup for their CR. This leads to my first question: In case I lose/break the tip/needle, which .33 parts does the Krome use, is it the ones that come with the Rage? Personally, I get tired of swapping needles and tips and regulators around real quick, that's one reason for multiple brushes. If you are into models building, this is certainly one of the best beginner airbrush for models. Iwata .35 (top) vs Krome .33 (bottom) The Eclipse needle is also thicker and longer than the Krome's. The Krome is a Great detail airbrush at less cost and lower parts cost also. ). ... Badger calls theirs a spring adjuster. View our. If you are experienecd, the Krome is a far better detail brush. All three are excellent and good AB for modeling. Buy the Krome, Put in the .22 and know that other then maybe a Harder and Steenbeck infiniy, it is as small as you can go. Badger Needle Bearing. If you go much further, you might have air turbulence which could affect spray pattern. I really can't see what would be bad about the 0.33mm setup? Do the needles for the 0.33 and the 0.21mm have the same angle on the first taper? Iwata Eclipse CS, dual action, gravity feed. Badger Krome Airbrush. A double taper on a larger needle allows finer trigger control at the beginning of the pull. After getting used to the open tip design of the Badgers, I was glad that the nozzle cap on the Eclipse is a separate part, and can be removed if you want to paint with the needle fully exposed. Despite the small nozzle size, the Krome and the Iwata CS has the same linear flow angle. Iwata Hi-Line Series:Hi-Control of Hi-Precision Work NEO for Iwata. I really didn't think that they would use it on models like the Rage. The Iwata Revultions are a good example. Badger Old Style 200 Review. But after bending the tip a couple times, straightening and polishing it isn't there anymore. Then register for free. Move up to the .070 needle like the Badger 360 or Anthem use and I definitely notice the transition. It is mostly a familiar factor issue because I got the CS much earlier. Very interesting info Dave and it made me pause for thought on you saying you`ve known people use Badger brushes and then go over to the Micron just to find they could not adjust to it . I think it depends on the individual. hehehe, all the things you point out as preferences are the exact opposite of the way I see it - No right or wrong, so please don't take it that way! RK1 Krome – 2-in-1 Gravity Feed Airbrush, Iwata-Medea Eclipse HP CS Dual Action Airbrush Gun / Gravity Feed Iwata-Medea Eclipse HP CS. But, any airbrush with a 0.22mm nozzle is going to be more fragile and require more careful thinning. Want to see more forum, less google ads ? I have 2 Powercat and one Neo for Iwata knock-off. Iwata HP-M1 Review. The 0.33mm nozzle gives a considerably wider pattern, but it is still very tiny and delicate. The Iwata is a better all around brush. "the Krome. :-). Iwata claims the Eclipse is suited to airbrush-ready or thicker types of paint. Maybe something in the mid-range would be a better starting point but the Krome comes with an .033 set-up and from what I understand(no, don't have one) it will flow a good bit of paint. The Iwata is easier to use and clean but will not do the fine work the Krome will. Any more would be wasted. In the past 3 years, I also acquired an H&S Evolution Silverline Solo and a Badger Krome. As expected, the 0.35 mm parts are more expensive. Placing the pivoting point further down from the needle ought to make it possible to build for a longer stroke. I found that Iwata user are usually less concerned about the needle damage because the needle is more springy, thus less prone to damage or bending. Iwata feels to me like a balance between the two. The Renegade Krome RK-1 Airbrush is the modified and improved version from the original Renegade Airbrush. Discussion in 'Airbrushes' started by Rincewind, Feb 10, 2017. It looks like it was Laser etched. I'm with Don. See the full review of the IWATA Eclipse. Watching football too. Badger has a rougher, stouter trigger feel that's always reminded me of a truck or utility vehicle. And when/if you get another, you'll have to learn again. We do not sell, rent or trade our email lists. I'm always looking for new combinations to adapt my airbrushes to my own needs. You can do all airbrushing with the Krome at .22, It just takes longer. The Krome does come with a .33 needle set included with the .21 set now,  so switching is free. Last, compared to the CS, how easy is it to clean the Krome?I know Badger has great customer service, and cheaper parts. I was aware of that, but it doesn't soften the trigger enough for me, and that's why I nipped a couple of loops off the spring. Based on published data, the linear flow angles are 6.0 and 6.5 degrees respectively. Better an airbrush in the hand, than ten in the car.... That's what I'm trying to figure out. See Don Wheeler's review of the Badger Rage for more detail. I am looking for folks experience with the Iwata vs. what you feel is a comparable AB from Badger. Badger Needle Bearing. At least not any I've encountered. But why? I.e, the only one on the 0.21 needle. "Problem" is that most high end airbrushes already are tuned to what the manufacturer consider be the best setting. Both are good for general modeling tasks. On the older Sotar, which has a thinner walled color cup, it balanced well - the new ones have a fatter cup, and do not balance as well... to me. The Iwata is capable for a wide range and master of none. Not much difference between the needle and tip in a Sotar and a Renegade. Most seem to go completely the opposite way, and try emulate the ergonomics of full-sized spray-guns instead. ... Badger RK-1 Krome. I use a Badger Patriot 105 with the fine set up ( about .5 or below) for more general coverage work. Some knock-off needles are sharp with a single taper. Same with a 105, 155 or 360 Badger. I`m really appreciating this helpful feedback I`m getting from you people who are more experienced . 6/2012 The Iwata Eclipse is a super popular airbrush with both modelers and artists, and the HP-CS is probably the most popular version. Murals: The first thing when it comes to murals is the size of the project and how much details does it need. They seem to work pretty well. ... Iwata Eclipse HP-CS Review. And considering that the same kind of conversion can be made on the BR, but to both 0.2mm and 0.5mm, my guess is that they all use needles honed with the same angle, and because of that fit with either 0.2, 0.3 or 0.5mm nozzles. Eclipse vs RevolutionIve been asked a few times "what airbrush do you recommend for a starter?" Comparing the Eclipse .35 and Krome .33 needles, the taper on the Eclipse needle is longer than the Krome needle. The bigger physical size of the CS nozzle is a plus when I have to take it apart for more thorough cleaning occasionally. Not as smooth and precise as H&S, but smoother and lighter than Badger. It is ok to have a bottle feed airbrush, which is a siphon – feed one or a side-feed one. So does the Grex Genesis XBi. It makes sense to keep the same trigger assembly in an airbrush with different nozzle sizes. The Badger Renegade Krome is a dual action, internal mix, gravity feed airbrush.With its very fine .21 needle, the renegade Krome is the ideal airbrush if you want to work on fine details. ... Then he got an Iwata gravity fed Eclipse HP-CS. No, I don't think any Iwata has a double taper. Not because of the thread size. ... Iwata HP-CS Eclipse Airbrush. The Krome has a needle limiter, which can be handy. There is no one answer that fits everyone.". KROME Parts; VELOCITY Parts; SPIRIT Parts; RAGE Parts; Sotar 20/20; 105 PATRIOT; 155 ANTHEM; XTREME Patriot 105 parts; Badger 360; Badger 150; Badger 100; Badger 200 Series. By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. The Krome looks like a cross between a Patriot and a Sotar. I have both, but use the CS more often. Chopping of the slender tip by using a double taper is mostly a cost saving measure to the manufacturer. and I used to say, The Iwata Eclipse. Badger Old Style 200 Review. Yet, they produce quality work, day in and day out. When doing a bit of calculation in my head, a 6 degree needle would protrude about 4,7mm from a 0.5mm nozzle, which might be a bit long, but only slightly over 3mm on a 0.33mm nozzle. Usually, full travel of the trigger will move the needle from fully closed to fully open. A long, sharp, single taper needle can get damaged easier. I can see the point of having double taper on large nozzle setups, but not on anything less than 0.5mm. ... Iwata Eclipse HP-CS Review. I have not used the 0.33 mm setup with the Krome and am not saying that it is bad. Thanks to Gary Glass, the president of Anest Iwata-Medea, I have a sample for review. I guess it made a real mess. Oh, one comment on the badger vs. Iwata: I've used the 100 series, and while they are good generalized brushes, the iwata brushes just perform better. This design comes with a .35 needle/nozzle combo which is very innovative. dual action, suction feed approx $59 2. You can see a picture of them side by side in my Krome review. I have Hobby Lobby Store locally, therefore, I can get Iwata CS parts cheaper than Krome parts. Badger Krome Review. To me at least, that needle/tip combination is a little touchy when you're trying to spray the finest pattern possible with it. The Krome 0.21 mm needle has a 6 degrees linear flow angle which is very good for general purpose work, but not as fine as that of the SOTAR 20/20. Non has a double taper, but then, the largest nozzle size I have is 0.4mm. When they first arrived at the scene, Iwata said that the CR wouldn't convert to 0.3mm. If they take the time to learn how to take care of it, it's a fine airbrush. Iwata Eclipse Series:Versatility, reliability and performance. I am saying that there is nothing to gain from paying the extra parts to make the change from the 0.21 mm setup. The Renegade Krome RK-1 Airbrush. Some users here have even sold their Custom Microns after getting a Krome. Badger Patriot Super Fine Conversion Review. Really a great airbrush for beginners. After painting with Mr. Color lacquers, I found that it does indeed require less thinning than the Badger Krome's .33 setup to achieve good atomization, despite an almost similar head size. The Eclipse nozzle is very similar to a Badger 105/155/360 nozzle. Can you develop that thought? So I know their needle quality first hand. The Iwata is a better all around brush. Trigger stroke length must depend on construction and physical size as well. approx $109 I am looking to do details on 60 size warbirds, paint foamies, and maybe do a helmet and wall mural. Why would the .33 set be a bad idea? Badger Patriot Review. I Have my Krome with the .22 set up and NEVER change it! Last, compared to the CS, how easy is it to clean the Krome? I'm torn between the Krome and the Iwata HP-CS for my first airbrush. I'll mainly be base coating and pre-shading with enamels, so the .21 needle set wouldn't be used as much as the .33 set. Sorry that I did not make my point clearer in my earlier post. I use a Badger Patriot 105 with the fine set up ( about .5 or below) for more general coverage work. Originally there was a slight double taper on the fine needle in my Sotar that's listed as .021mm. But I believe that they sometimes don´t want to compete with their own products by making it too easy to adapt to other specifications. But the three 0.3mm or the 0.4 airbrushes ought to be similar enough to the Rage 0.33 to prove that it isn't any real need of making it double tapered. IWATA AIRBRUSH; BADGER AIRBRUSH SETS; BADGER SPARE PARTS. They can all use the same parts and require no tools unless you want to take apart the airvalve. On the other hand, just by changing the needle and nozzle on a CR to 0.2mm doesn't make it an ideal detailing airbrush. hobby boss 1/48 F-105G. I'm really leaning towards the Krome, but if it's easier to clean and maintain the CS, I'll probably go for the CS. I really can't see the point in having them at all. In the Paasche VL, for instance, the medium and large needles have a double taper, but the fine doesn't. Also an Amazon E-book and paperback of tips. Iwata Smart Jet Compressor. ... Like the Renegades and Krome, the spray regulators come either with a fork design or without any protection for the needle. I asked the same on a FB page and received the following input. Or, I couldn't. I actually quite liked it, just had problems getting my head around the needle design and all-or-nothing paint delivery. The compromise is a less precise spray pattern. It just goes to show how much personal preference plays into these things. Tamiya Airbrush Cleaner 250 ml Bottle #87089. Mine has the versions without the forks. You will not see double taper on any manufacturer's top of the line models. They could just let it protrude a bit? Badger Air-Brush Company RK-1 Krome Airbrush 2-in-1 Ultra Fine Airbrush with Additional Fine Tip, Spray Regulator and Needle Vallejo Airbrush Flow Improver 200ml Paint Set Iwata Eclipse Hp-Cs Value Set with Hose Cleaner and Paint As you noted, an airbrush needle typically extends about 3mm past the nozzle. $40+ shipping. The Eclipse also has a cutaway handle so you can pull the needle all the way open in case of a clog. Our community is FREE to join. If you are experienecd, the Krome is a far better detail brush. People who need finer lines can easily convert to the smaller nozzle set. I've never had any problem with normal tapered needles, not even silly long taper needles as some of the older Rich's. Now to the nitty gritty - The body diameter on the Micron body is the same as the Sotar. Its smaller needle size assists users with creating airbrushed designs with very fine details. Sprays better than my HP-C+ and B. Badger Krome Review. People played around with it, and came to the conclusion that the 0.3mm needle and nozzle setup for the BR would fit. This boht airbrush are my recomendation if you want to buy your first professional Airbrush. Badger, like most manufacturers, standardizes many parts to keep cost down. Iwata HP-CR Revolution Airbrush. With a CS you have a choice that doesn't require any tools to swap. both are awesome. SOTAR stands for State Of The Art Results and I think that Badger is not far off with this airbrush. Its really great info which I do take on board as there`s nothing better than experience guiding you along . It is a good saving when using their 40% off coupon and avoiding paying for shipping. The choice of Krome vs. Sotar depends on how it feels in your hands. Hobby Lobby carries both the Iwata Eclipse series 0.35 and 0.5 mm nozzle/needle/crown parts. Here you will see what you get for your money. I have been checking my airbrushes tonight. 1. Badger Patriot Arrow Airbrush. https://sites.google.com/site/donsairbrushtips/home, A collection of airbrush tips and reviews. It comes with a 5 years warranty against manufacturing defects. Sorry for the late response, I've been having connection problems. Badger 155 Anthem. Iwata HP-BCS Eclipse Airbrush. Iwata Nozzle .35mm N 5500. The Badger Krome 2-in-1 is a dual Action, gravity feed, internal mix airbrush that is essentially a chrome plated version of the Renegade Velocity with some extra features such a rubber finger/thumb rest for increased comfort, and a micrometer trigger setting dial which allows the setting of spray patterns to 1/1000″ accuracy. It is too front heavy, too long, and probably has a bit too high angle needle taper to really compete with the HP-B. It is easy to learn from and easy to clean. See photo on this page. The Badger Renegade Velocity superfine or Krome use Badger Parts # R-003 needle and the Rage uses Badger Parts # R-004 needle. The IWATA Eclipse HP CS is a multi-purpose high quality airbrush that really will last you a lifetime. The Sotar medium needle has a tiny secondary taper right on the end. Another thing that I believe is a first for Badger is the word Krome. And for what I use that needle for, that's fine. There are people producing mind blowing works with Badger airbrushes, just like there are people doing the same with Iwata's. 200 NH; 200 G & SG; 200 old style; OMNI SERIES; VEGA SERIES; 175 CRESCENDO; Badger 350; IWATA SPARE PARTS. Very good point on the CS nozzle, also, does Hobby Lobby carry the .35 nozzle? The Iwata Revolution HP-CR has a double taper. Let's face it, there's a learning curve with whatever brush you start with. I change from a Paasche H to an Iwata HP-CS and never look back. It will never be discerned by the un aided eye. The Krome nozzle is self centering, but it is tiny. wings and fuselage cut from sprue. Badger Renegade Velocity superfine or Krome, Tools, Techniques, and Reference Materials. Today, there are "conversion kits" available as spare parts for doing this. Badger Old Style 200 Review. Find helpful customer reviews and review ratings for Badger Air-Brush Company RK-1 Krome Airbrush 2-in-1 Ultra Fine Airbrush with Additional Fine Tip, Spray Regulator and Needle at Amazon.com. I have not tried the Krome with the 0.33 needle, but it does not sound like a good idea. The double taper really isn't noticeable on a needle .050 or below. Does the Krome come with the self-centering nozzle feature, and is this even a big deal? And your post wasn't showing when I started writing Don. The tiny nozzle means you have to be a little more careful cleaning the Krome. I know Badger has great customer service, and cheaper parts. My thought was that if the Rage needle has the same angle taper in the first taper section as the Krome, you should be able to use a Krome needle with 0.33mm nozzle. Badger SOTAR 20/20 review: The badger SOTAR 20/20 is a dual action, internal mix, gravity feed airbrush. So why isn't Iwata having this in their information? I'm torn between the Krome and the Iwata HP-CS for my first airbrush.I'll mainly be base coating and pre-shading with enamels, so the .21 needle set wouldn't be used as much as the .33 set. Getting this picky is really useless. (No shipping cost.). (You must log in or register to reply here. Iwata Revolution HP-CR Review. comes down to personal preference. Isn't the Renegade series supposed to be their new pro series? That said, I seem to be very much in the minority in wanting pen-like handling. Iwata Eclipse BCS, dual action, suction feed, approx $89 3. Iwata Eclipse HP CS Review Introduction: The Iwata-Medea Eclipse HP CS is a gravity feed airbrush. The “Krome 2 in 1” RK-1 Airbrush. Iwata HP-M1 Review. Well, this one must be white chrome. Yes, the Iwata Eclipse will be an excellent choice for modeling. I do not see what can be gain from changing to the 0.33 mm needle which has a double taper at the end and a larger linear flow angle. Some use double taper on the lower priced models. Badger Needle Bearing. There's more of a taper on the CR needle than there is on the 105 Patriot needle, both are listed as .050mm, but I really don't notice that the taper is there when spraying. The only caveat is that Iwata needles feel more solid and sturdy compared to Badger needles so they "feel" like they are less easy to bend, which is one of the biggest/common mistakes when first owning and maintaining an airbrush. The Renegade Krome RK-1 Airbrush. Badger Krome Review. He said brushes like the Iwata were white chrome plated. I'm really leaning towards the Krome, but if it's easier to clean and maintain the CS, I'll probably go for the CS.

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